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 Wednesday, February 21, 2007
 

Lowball

 

Some of this.So I heard back from the apartment book people. "I have some good news and some bad news," the lady tells me. "Which do you want first?"

Bad news.

"Due to budget cuts we have to cancel the jobs I was hiring for."

Oh, great! Well I was prepared for some sort of shit sandwich. Nowhere Fast chapter XXXVIIV.

"But we're offering you the job."

Oh, boy!

"But we can no longer offer $30,000, it's $28,000."

Okay, hold on a minute. Let's backtrack. When she initially called she said this job would pay $30,000, and she said that's what I had as my requirement on my Monster.com resume. I was surprised to hear this but on looking at it attached to her e-mail that was what I had put; I had just upgraded it to $35,000 a few days before. I figured I would go along with $30,000 but try to talk them up if they made an offer.

But now the offer was going lower? This is unheard of. I told them to give me a couple of days to get back to them, but within two seconds I had my answer, "FUCK YOU!"

I took it to the Van Halen and Telecaster forums, where all the career experts reside, and some say it could be worth it to put on a resume, but most say that's a load of shit. One guy said, "To make an already low offer and then go even lower is an insult. If they're doing this to you now, what will they do when you work there?" Another said, "When they offered $30,000 you should have said, 'Sorry, but I'm not looking for part-time work.'"

Any place that would pull this kind of shennanigan smells like horseshit to me, much as I initially suspected. You know why I listen to my parents (sometimes)? Because they often see the shit before it hits the fan and splatters in my face!

Thoughts?

 
 

Posted by Art | 10:23 PM EST | 8 comments |

8 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's an entree into writing. Who cares if the place is warm and fuzzy. The fact that you even ask if you should take it means you don't see the opportunity: they're asking you to write. The other place won't even ask you to supervise other workers, and forget the Marketing department. No one is getting promoted after 2-3 years of entry level status.

Paul Conley used to work at the company and has a great website on journalism and B2B.

"FULL DISCLOSURE: I'm the former vice president for online content at Primedia Business. Also, during this past weekend I took on a small, short-term consulting arrangement with Primedia Business."

from Paul's blog, August 2005:

Primedia Business sold to Wasserstein
It's over.
And yet little has changed.
Primedia Business has been sold to yet another New York-based buyout firm. The seller, of course, was KKR. When I was an executive at Primedia Business, it was the folks at KKR who were in charge. And I found them to be -- almost entirely -- a repulsive group. KKR's chosen would gather in the executive dining room and complain whenever Primedia Business' workforce seemed unwilling to sacrifice more wages and time to further enrich KKR's investors. My time at Primedia Business was an endless series of meetings with people who genuinely disliked each other. And it was clear to me that KKR set that contemptuous tone.
Primedia Business' new owner is Wasserstein & Co., a private equity firm that also owns "The Deal." I know nothing about Wasserstein. And I would urge everyone at Primedia Business to try and maintain a positive attitude during these next few weeks. Perhaps Wasserstein will turn out to be a more skilled leader than KKR. (8/9/05)
---------------

Negotiate the lower salary to your advantage. It's not a good sign for sure. But they also just bought into the Atlanta car market (magazines) so maybe it's belt-tightening time. Get everything in writing (work at home, travel, reimbursement). And use work assignments and business cards to create new contacts. Leave customer service behind and build a B2B portfolio.


http://paulconley.blogspot.com/2005/08/primedia-business-sold-to-wasserstein.html

4:22 PM, February 22, 2007  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So the question is, What will Art do? What will Diamond Dave do?? At least some answers are in....

"The Official Word: Van Halen Tour Kaput"

It looks like David Lee Roth’s first tour with Van Halen in twenty-three years won’t happen, after all. Over the weekend, employees of tour promoters Live Nation were informed that “the Van Halen tour has been shut down.”

It’s not yet clear what went wrong: Just last week, the band released their first official photo of their new line-up to Rolling Stone. At the time, Roth told us that he was thrilled about the tour, and that the reunion could be permanent: “I have hope and faith – and that’s more than just the name of a couple of strippers from Albuquerque,” he said. Check back here for more VH news as the story unfolds.

-Brian Hiatt

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/02/21/the-official-word-van-halen-tour-kaput/

5:02 PM, February 22, 2007  

Blogger Art said...

It's an opportunity, but based on that blog entry you left, an opportunity to board a sinking ship? I've been on a few of those in the past few years. And though it's an opportunity, I wouldn't look forward to being dumped again six-to-12 months and having to hunt again for who knows how long to find another low-paying job. Possibly a bird in the hand, even a low-paying, go-nowhere bird, is better than two of the same birds in the bush.

I'm hoping Diamond Dave has realized he'd rather sing between the corndogs and the bean bag toss than do a half-assed tour with a drunk meth head and his 15-year-old son. Sounds like that may be what's going on, though nothing is confirmed on their official site.

7:10 PM, February 22, 2007  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have to do what feels right.

This company is many things... but a sinking ship they're not. They're here to stay, very aggressive about growth and acquisitions. (They also just sold About dot com to the NY Times, along with some of their more creative sites... guitars and stuff.)

Remember, that blog entry is from Summer '05. It only says that the previous owner didn't have a warm fuzzy style. And that they weren't running things the way the guy at the site would like. Read their business activity and press releases and you'll see they're a very aggressive company. They indeed do need people to write. Who knows if a sale is in the future. (Who knows if a sale is ever in the future.) I didn't read it that way but you know, a number of smaller CC clusters that have already sold will keep, not nuke, the current workers. Again, no blueprint or guarantees in any office.

I'd prefer to get in and get paid for what I like doing. If you negotiate trade-offs now for that lower salary, it also tells you how much they're willing to honor an employee. Ask for one flex day a week. That is, work a full day at home. They get their 40 hours and you get a day of writing away from the office. If they can't meet you in the middle, while offering a surprisingly lower salary... that's another red flag.

Hey sometimes you have to eat a sh-t sandwich to get to the caviar. Personally I'd take the gamble. But you seem to prefer comfort and security, and you've settled into weekend guitar practice and home cooking. You should at least try to negotiate the lower salary into a couple perks -- see how it plays out -- then send a thank you note.

11:34 PM, February 22, 2007  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eddie's kid is technically one guy who can't rock the boat. VH needs that, even if the fans don't. But dad will call all the shots... and that's something he probably couldn't even do if he hired his nephew. If Eddie was awesome at that age, I'm sure Wolfie is just as good on bass. Just look at his DNA.

Anyway without Dave, there's really no show.

11:36 PM, February 22, 2007  

Blogger Art said...

Yes, at 36 I feel like I ought to have something to show by now, not still be approaching things like a overeager and optimistic 23 year old. Making a low offer and then going lower is already the red flag, I don't know if it needs to go to crimson.

The L.A. Times has just published a brief interview with David Lee Roth and someone from the promotion company. The tour is off because Eddie is too drunk to make it. He and Alex aren't likely to show up at the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame, either. Dave says he, Sammy and Mike will be there, though. Wow. Pitiful.

11:44 PM, February 22, 2007  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

(Double post?) Anyway, here's some weird FYI info to drop into your cranium: a writer's job pays low - mid 20s. Anything around $30,000 is okay too. So $28,000 is not bad. (I mean, it's the fact that they dropped it before calling with the offer that makes it a concern.)

Of course, one of the higher paying jobs are the best...

12:13 AM, February 23, 2007  

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, I should clarify... there are loads and loads of writing jobs for $65-75,000 and better. But usually the work requires agency experience or experience as a Senior writer. And, especially knowledge of specialized topics (medical writing or computer applications).

Beginning salaries can bounce all over.

12:02 PM, February 23, 2007  

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